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wow

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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts

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kate valentine and ferusha

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prepare to have your paradigms shifted

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into truth questioned and now

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shattered reality shattered reality

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hello there are shattered reality

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listeners

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this is faroushi here and we are

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at believe it or not january 29

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2019 the first month of the year

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is nearly over and we are about to have

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our second show of the year um

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and it is our show number 82 of all time

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number 82 show of all time shattered

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reality podcast

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and unfortunately again our

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our trusty co-host kate valentine is

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absent but she uh promises to come back

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so i believe her and

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and we all hope that she does um so

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today we have

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a different and sort of unusual show for

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you

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something that um has only barely been

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touched upon

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to my knowledge in other podcasts and i

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do listen to other podcasts i freely

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admit it

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i was amazed some podcast hosts tell me

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they never listen to other podcasts and

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you know what

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i think they're lying i don't know i

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shouldn't say that but

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that's my opinion in any case today we

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have two

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wonderful guests and we're going to talk

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about a subject that is

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neglected um on shows of this nature and

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the subject

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is magic stores magic with a k

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um botanicas grigri

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shops we've got magic stores

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and we're going to talk about the role

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that they play

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in the paranormal and religious beliefs

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religions and so-called cults i don't

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tend to make a distinction between

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religions and cults

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they're all religions to me or they're

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all cults to me whichever way you look

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at it

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in any case today we have the very

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well-known researcher of the paranormal

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mr david b metcalf who has been on the

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show before

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and introducing mr

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jason mizrahi who is

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the manager of original products

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one of the most famous botanica supply

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stores

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in the entire us of a and

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so we're going to start by saying hello

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jason

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and hello david hello there

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hey it's great to be here okay

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well um first of all i'd like to talk

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about original products and the reason

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i would like to talk about that first is

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of the the founder of original products

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is uh one gentleman named jack mizrahi

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who at an earlier time in my life

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befriended me and i still consider him

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a friend i haven't seen much of him of

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but he has this fabulous place up on

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webster avenue

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in the bronx that jason who's on with me

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right now

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manages this store original products and

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professional intuitive he would

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occasionally have me up to the store

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had me read at his home for parties and

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and we became very very nice friends and

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including jason and his two sisters and

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larry better than any other

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member of the family but um

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in any case um i'd like to hear

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botanica business um so do you want to

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inform us jason sure um

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so basically uh my dad started off in

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the business

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well after he got out of service uh in

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um and he went to work uh for my brother

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for his brother-in-law uh al amito

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uh and basically the amato family

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they were like really the first ones to

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botanical business per se um

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my uncle al was came from

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like turkish and mediterranean roots

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instance i'm like my my grandparents

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uh turkish culture or anything they came

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they were sephardic jews

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jews were accepted freely and uh

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so by the time they came here um they

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spoke a language called ladino

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jews so it's sort of like

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to relate it to uh for ashkenazi jews is

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is uh you know they speak yiddish

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so sephardism uh sephardic language

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sounds a lot like spanish because it's

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the the language of the jews from spain

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so growing up in the bronx in the 1930s

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my dad was kind of considered like the

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spanish kid in the neighborhood

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because at that time you didn't have

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that wave of immigration coming from the

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so my dad spoke basically spanish

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you know he spoke and understood ladino

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both he and my uncle they saw this

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and the other caribbean islands and the

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products that you could very easily find

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language they spoke

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common language they recognized you know

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a need for these products and it started

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things here and there but then as just

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said was you know if you have a customer

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you can be sure that there's even if you

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don't have it you would always try to

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figured there's got to be a hundred

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other people that are looking for it all

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so uh my dad went to work my uncle al

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and he ran my uncle lal's wholesale

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business

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in that botanica which was nydia

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botanica which was on 116th street

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and that's really where all the

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botanicals were spanish harlem

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so fast forward a little bit my dad and

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that was working for my uncle al decided

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they wanted to open up their own store

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and so they opened up two stores on bath

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bead avenue in the bronx in the

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in the early 70s um and it was really

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opened up anything in the bronx because

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you know the bronx was still you know uh

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hadn't had this influx like spanish

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harlem ahead of caribbean people

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uh but over time it started to change

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and then one day he was driving home we

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all lived in the bronx

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on cedric avenue he was driving home one

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day and he saw that

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the building that we're in now was for

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sale so he

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you know put up everything he had and he

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bought this building on webster avenue

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and we moved in there in 1975

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and uh we've been there ever since wow

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and now the the fellow that your father

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started the original products

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with was it was not your

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uncle and your cousin but rather this uh

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milton ben ezra correct okay

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his friend so it was really like the

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your uncle al and uh milton

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and your dad sort of um were working

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together although your uncle al was in a

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separate but

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related business would that be correct

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no in a sense so my dad and milton they

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they left their job working for my uncle

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and they opened up their own store so

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they had their own business separate

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my dad opened up original products

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and i asked him one day why he folded

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original products you know why do you

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decide to name an original products he

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when i put the sign up you know if if we

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go out of business

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i can open up any kind of a store in

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there you know if we go out and i could

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sell sneakers

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i could sell uh furniture and i don't

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have to buy a new sign

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signs are very expensive he was very

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well i i remember working up there

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um the the times that i would come in

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um usually for afternoon sessions like

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from noon to four

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i would sit there and do readings and i

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remember when i was up there

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i think that right now you had mentioned

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that the business is more

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afro-caribbean while those people were

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represented at that time

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i think that most of my customers were

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largely like hispanic whether they were

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from dominican republic or puerto rico

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or not so many mexicans i think back in

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the early 80s or the mid 80s when

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i had been there but a lot of hispanic

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people and one of the women

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who was working there too gave me a very

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gave me a very very good tip she said

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while you're sitting there

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and you are reading folks what you need

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to do is put a bowl of water or a big

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glass of water because

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some of these people come in with um

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you know bad energy and you want to make

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sure that their energy goes

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into the glass of water and it will keep

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bothering you and uh that was among

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the very good tips that i got from other

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people in

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my reading practice so i i don't

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who she was i imagined she was in her

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40s at the time

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and she was working for your dad so i do

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want to thank her

285
00:11:42,630 --> 00:11:40,160
if she's still out there somewhere it's

286
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a good tip yes it is well we got some

287
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long time people there we have uh

288
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one guy that's been working for us uh

289
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over 45 years

290
00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:54,310
that's amazing yeah my dad when we had

291
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the store on bathgate avenue my dad

292
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used to he lived upstairs in the

293
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building in the apartment building

294
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above and uh my dad likes to tell the

295
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story he paid him a dollar a day after

296
00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:10,629
oh wow that's amazing that's amazing

297
00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:11,600
that's incredible

298
00:12:16,629 --> 00:12:14,880
as and is he uh um is he a practitioner

299
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or is he just a

300
00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:18,880
a local guy who got lucky and gets to

301
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work he's a local guy

302
00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:24,240
that's fantastic actually he does he

303
00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:27,120
basically oversees uh almost all the

304
00:12:31,910 --> 00:12:28,880
manufacturing that we do

305
00:12:32,470 --> 00:12:31,920
oh cool yeah i love this i love the way

306
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that

307
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uh this intersects so many different

308
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cultures and

309
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not only different cultures but i mean

310
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the idea that

311
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original products could you know if the

312
00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:44,000
botanical business went down it could

313
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switch i mean

314
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it's amazing how fluid it is you know

315
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316
00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:51,279
it's just and that's what i found with

317
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botanicals all over when i go to visit

318
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them it's just the

319
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the level of uh intersection with the

320
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um the local culture and the local you

321
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know

322
00:13:06,389 --> 00:13:03,839
folks is just really powerful even

323
00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:06,399
beyond you know selling spiritual goods

324
00:13:14,389 --> 00:13:10,240
yep well there are little statuettes

325
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of the um various uh deities that i

326
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recall

327
00:13:21,910 --> 00:13:19,360
from um some santeria

328
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people and what what are you doing now

329
00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:25,839
in regards to santa muerte

330
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well santa muerte we have uh believe it

331
00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:30,079
or not one of the newer things that's

332
00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:31,839
come out recently that we've been doing

333
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is uh

334
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there's actually a centimeter tarot card

335
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deck

336
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that is really really i gotta say it's

337
00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:40,399
one of the nicer ones i've ever seen

338
00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:41,760
it's uh

339
00:13:46,069 --> 00:13:43,920
really really popular and we also have

340
00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:46,079
some gorgeous statues from mexico that

341
00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:46,800
uh

342
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we have a guy down in in mexico who

343
00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:50,160
sends us up these

344
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uh enormous i guess they must be made of

345
00:13:58,629 --> 00:13:55,440
some kind of resin material

346
00:13:59,430 --> 00:13:58,639
um and then the whole inside of them is

347
00:14:02,470 --> 00:13:59,440
filled with

348
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like uh pressure like these stones and

349
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:04,079
grains of rice and all sorts of

350
00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:05,839
decorative things kind of like embedded

351
00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:06,959
in the middle of them

352
00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:09,920
wow they're really pretty neat yeah

353
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,800
those are the

354
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the activated ones that that's awesome i

355
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:14,079
didn't realize you guys got them shipped

356
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up from mexico that's great

357
00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:17,680
is that is that similar with the the

358
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books then

359
00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:21,680
the spanish language books is that a uh

360
00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:24,720
do you guys print those with you

361
00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:27,440
or is that sent up from mexico how does

362
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that

363
00:14:36,069 --> 00:14:31,920
yeah so we used to we used to publish

364
00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:36,079
um a lot of our own books in fact uh

365
00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:38,639
my uh my dad's partner milton his son

366
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now runs

367
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uh the book publishing division so it's

368
00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:44,000
like a totally separate business

369
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,680
and we're not involved with each other

370
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:47,519
but like we buy the books from him

371
00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:50,800
oh okay so he prints books english and

372
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:52,399
spanish but then we also deal with a

373
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:53,839
bunch of other publishers and then we

374
00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:55,600
also deal with a guy who literally will

375
00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:56,880
come

376
00:15:01,350 --> 00:15:00,160
uh with like a van and i go into the

377
00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,360
guy's van

378
00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:02,959
and he's got all these books that he

379
00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:04,399
brings from mexico

380
00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:06,000
that i have no idea who published i have

381
00:15:09,269 --> 00:15:07,680
no idea who publishes them

382
00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:09,279
but i go into his van and i grab

383
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:11,279
whatever books i want

384
00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:14,160
and the guy comes once a month that's

385
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incredible

386
00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:18,399
and you speak spanish yes uh jc

387
00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,150
wow so we'd like to

388
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:28,480
before we go into the general botanica

389
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business father

390
00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,880
uh because this is a paranormal show uh

391
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:34,160
perhaps uh

392
00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:36,560
jason you might have some stories of

393
00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:38,399
things that have happened

394
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:41,040
in or around the store that you feel are

395
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:43,600
anomalous

396
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:46,000
well we have you know we have things

397
00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:47,440
quite frequently happen

398
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,240
um just a couple like off the top of my

399
00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:52,480
head you know we had uh

400
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:54,399
we got a lot of people that will come in

401
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:55,519
it's

402
00:16:02,470 --> 00:15:59,440
amazing what people will

403
00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:02,480
ask or say to a complete stranger

404
00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:05,040
um so you know like for instance with my

405
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:06,160
dad

406
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:08,480
uh everybody would come in and ask for

407
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:09,759
jocko

408
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:14,480
so they would come in and say i need to

409
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,000
speak to jocko

410
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:18,800
so jocko would come out from the back

411
00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:20,240
and the person would

412
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:22,959
explain to them their problem and i've

413
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:24,959
come to find a lot of people suffer from

414
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:25,759
the same

415
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:29,279
instance uh

416
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:31,759
if people are trying to sleep at night

417
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:33,519
and they have this sensation that

418
00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:34,000
there's

419
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,279
a ghost or a spirit that's in their room

420
00:16:42,389 --> 00:16:39,360
not necessarily haunting them

421
00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:42,399
but there's a presence in this space

422
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:44,560
that bothers them to them and they and

423
00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:46,399
they need something to

424
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:48,560
help cleanse their their room or their

425
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,440
house

426
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:51,199
in order to remove whatever the spirit

427
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:52,880
is from their surroundings

428
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:55,360
so that's a pretty uh i would say a

429
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,360
pretty common one

430
00:17:01,500 --> 00:16:59,680
also you have a lot of people that have

431
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:01,510
some sort of medical condition

432
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:02,800
[Music]

433
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:05,919
that they go to the doctor and

434
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:09,360
uh well let me back up a second

435
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:11,360
the botanicas in a lot of these

436
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:12,799
neighborhoods

437
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:16,799
almost are considered like a lawyer

438
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,160
a doctor all in one so

439
00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:23,360
people are very mistrusting of of

440
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:25,839
doctors and modern medicine

441
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:28,240
so if they have an issue a lot of people

442
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,600
they won't go to the doctor they'll go

443
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:30,880
to the botanica

444
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:33,919
for an herb or some kind of remedy so

445
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:34,960
people come and they'll

446
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:37,600
they'll say they have this some kind of

447
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:40,320
pain or discomfort in their leg

448
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,039
and they went to the doctor the doctor

449
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,880
says there's nothing wrong with them

450
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,559
but they know that there's some kind of

451
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:48,400
a problem so they they feel that there's

452
00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:49,120
some sort of

453
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:55,280
uh that's that's in their leg and they

454
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:56,880
need something to help

455
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:58,880
you know get this demon out of there out

456
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:01,120
of their body

457
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:04,480
uh we also had somebody came in once who

458
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:05,440
uh

459
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:09,039
a woman came in with her with her son

460
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:12,840
and she told me that uh she has this

461
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:14,480
problem uh

462
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,880
that uh her son thinks that he's a snake

463
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:21,120
so i said well explain this to me what

464
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:22,240
do you mean he thinks

465
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:24,559
he's a snake what's how does this well i

466
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,080
have to put the food

467
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:28,480
on the ground in like a dish of you know

468
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:29,840
like a bowl

469
00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:33,760
and then the guy slithers up to the

470
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:35,919
you know to the bowl to eat and to drink

471
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:37,600
his food

472
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:41,039
i guess that's what you mean then but

473
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,640
maybe the the the kookiest one that i've

474
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:45,520
had was

475
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:48,320
a woman came to me once and said uh i

476
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:51,200
want something from my husband

477
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:52,559
so i said oh well tell me what it is

478
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:54,000
what are you looking for i figure you

479
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,559
know

480
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:56,559
something for their sex life or he's

481
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,720
seeing another woman

482
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,960
so she says well i i can't tell you i'm

483
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:03,120
too embarrassed to tell you what it is

484
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:06,160
so i said well i understand here's a

485
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:07,280
piece of paper and a pen

486
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:10,160
write down what it is you know that you

487
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,120
want for your husband

488
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,360
and then i'll take it to the back i'll

489
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:15,200
go to my office i'll read it

490
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,880
i'll put something together for you and

491
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:18,720
i'll you know that you can give to your

492
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,760
husband

493
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:22,080
so she said okay that's a good idea so

494
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:23,039
she wrote down

495
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,320
her petition and i took the piece of

496
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:28,080
paper i went back to my office i opened

497
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,799
it up

498
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,400
and i when i opened it i said what does

499
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,720
she want for her husband

500
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:35,760
poison oh

501
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:43,750
accessory to murder that's right that's

502
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:44,480
one thing i

503
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:53,029
no poison no no no

504
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,480
imagine she was a little embarrassed

505
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:57,120
about it i can't imagine why

506
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,070
so take no take note listeners if you

507
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:06,000
need to poison your loved ones uh

508
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,640
original

509
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,320
products is not i'm not going to help

510
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,080
you on that one right we don't condone

511
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:15,990
oh boy oh boy so um that

512
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,480
those are very very interesting uh

513
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,000
issues as i recall there

514
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:23,200
were uh women who came to me and

515
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,400
were interested in taking

516
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,559
their husbands away from other women

517
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:30,400
that they perceived as

518
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,799
being threats to them and and that sort

519
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:34,960
of thing and so when that came up i

520
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,320
did send them to the counters to to get

521
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:41,200
a a potion of some sort that would help

522
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:42,000
them

523
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,080
uh that was uh jocko told me to do that

524
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:49,360
there you go and so i did um

525
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:52,960
but uh anything that you would say

526
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,480
has happened that was truly paranormal

527
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,559
well we had one lady i recall a couple

528
00:21:03,029 --> 00:20:59,919
of years ago

529
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,039
who was shopping and

530
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,320
the next thing i knew i heard like the

531
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:08,720
some commotion you know which quite

532
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,440
honestly is not that unusual in my story

533
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,919
but i heard some commotion and this this

534
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,840
actually stirred me so i i went to take

535
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:17,280
a look and i looked down the aisle and

536
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,320
the woman had her

537
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:21,520
shopping cart and instead of shopping

538
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:22,159
she went

539
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:26,480
the floor

540
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:30,000
was possessed by

541
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,520
something and shouting out all kinds of

542
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,120
crazy stuff that nobody could understand

543
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,200
what she was talking about

544
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:37,520
so that was definitely some sort of

545
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,400
possession

546
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:41,039
situation i'm not you know an expert on

547
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:42,559
that but

548
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:45,760
that much i know well

549
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,600
um i i will i will add a little story of

550
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:50,720
my own

551
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:54,080
uh regarding um a

552
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:57,679
figure that um a uh

553
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:00,880
a russian woman who was

554
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:04,400
in the sex business

555
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:07,679
came to my house and brought a

556
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,039
santeria figure into my house

557
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:13,840
uh it wasn't a normal figure like you

558
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:14,480
would see

559
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,600
on the shelf of like the the doctor

560
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,600
figure which i always liked that the man

561
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,760
dressed in black with the black

562
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,919
bag that was the the person that i was

563
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,280
most attracted to

564
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,679
when i was up at original products in

565
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:29,360
terms of dr gregorio

566
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,720
yes i really liked him a lot um i

567
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,640
i think i actually bought one of the

568
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,799
little statues at one point because i

569
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,919
i don't know why i was just very

570
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,080
attracted to him however

571
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:43,280
this woman this russian woman as i was

572
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:43,919
saying

573
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:47,919
she brought into my house some kind of a

574
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:50,480
santeria object that she claimed it had

575
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,960
to be

576
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:53,440
fed and she brought it with her all the

577
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:54,240
time now

578
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,360
i'm not a practitioner of santeria

579
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:59,679
so i didn't know exactly what was going

580
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:00,480
on

581
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:04,640
but directly after she left with this

582
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,000
this totem figure because it didn't

583
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,440
look like a uh a uh it wasn't

584
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,200
it wasn't a human figure that she

585
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:14,799
brought

586
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:20,080
a bat manifested inside the house

587
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:24,960
it came down a chimney or threw a um

588
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,320
a ventilation shaft of some sort

589
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:31,200
but a bat materialized in my house and i

590
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:32,320
had to put a

591
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,000
uh a carton over it and and somehow

592
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,080
get it out of the house and i certainly

593
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,679
hope the the uh

594
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,919
the bat was okay is somebody have

595
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,360
something that's crackling in the

596
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,960
background because we're getting a lot

597
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,799
of crackling noises i'm sorry

598
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,679
to interrupt but i i do want to make

599
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,960
mention of that

600
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,960
so what what do you think about all of

601
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,120
that david

602
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,760
i've you know it's it's interesting

603
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:58,720
coming from

604
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,559
um the kind of parapsychological

605
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,679
angle you know where intention can

606
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,240
definitely have an effect

607
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,720
if you look at psy performance in that

608
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,679
so it's always

609
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,559
you know for me if you have any kind of

610
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,559
directed intentionality you're often

611
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,080
going to have some kind of phenomena

612
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:20,240
especially when that intentionality

613
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,279
butts up on

614
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,360
you know kind of narratives of occult

615
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,200
practice

616
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,880
you know so even if there isn't some

617
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:29,440
other you know something spookier going

618
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,840
on

619
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,000
if you have a lot of people who are

620
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:33,520
really focused on their practices and

621
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,320
that you're

622
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,840
you're probably going to occasionally

623
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,679
encounter something getting stirred up

624
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,520
you know and then there may always be

625
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:41,039
the you know the possibility that

626
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,320
there's something else

627
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:45,600
that kind of goes in there as well

628
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:48,960
the other as it were the other is

629
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,320
the questionable other exactly

630
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,840
and it's it's interesting though i mean

631
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,360
that's one of the things that really got

632
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,720
me interested in

633
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,679
um you know botanicas and spiritual

634
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,440
supply stores

635
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,919
um because there's this wonderful

636
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,559
element

637
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,559
you know like i said before of just

638
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,559
community and directness

639
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,640
and it's you know so connected to

640
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,840
people's lives

641
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,360
like jason it said it's it's the

642
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,880
botanicas are

643
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,559
oftentimes take the place of a lawyer

644
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,200
and a doctor you know so in in settling

645
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:21,120
legal disputes and that and tying this

646
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,559
other element of

647
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,720
prayer and kind of the spiritual realm

648
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:26,640
into that i think is just so fascinating

649
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:27,279
because

650
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,520
i went into rexall in atlanta

651
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,840
miller's rexol and i mean it was amazing

652
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,760
because it it really was still just a

653
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,960
pharmacy

654
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,559
and then they happened to also have this

655
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,720
whole you know selection of spiritual

656
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,080
supplies in that

657
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,360
um but there's just this fantastic uh

658
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:47,279
earthiness to it you know that you don't

659
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:48,320
necessarily get

660
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,320
when you think of new age occultism or

661
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:55,279
something like that you know that

662
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,960
yes yes um and now just to

663
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,039
can we step back a little bit into how

664
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,640
you happen to find

665
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:05,760
this particular place in atlanta you you

666
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,159
are

667
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:09,520
a georgia resident uh as still i believe

668
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,559
and you are close to atlanta not too far

669
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,000
from atlanta so you

670
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,400
were able to go there yeah i'm about

671
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:18,000
well i'm about two hours out from

672
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,720
atlanta

673
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,960
um but miller's rexella is famous it's

674
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,039
the it's the hoodoo shop that's on the

675
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:25,600
cover of

676
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,120
paul mccartney's uh run devil run okay

677
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,159
so it's uh it's a famous place and they

678
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:34,559
they were in the same spot for i believe

679
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,679
50 years

680
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,200
or so they were they were in there for

681
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,440
quite a while um

682
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,440
but they've recently moved actually

683
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:42,799
closer to me um

684
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,080
in stone mountain which is uh i think

685
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:49,200
dolly parton has uh yes a theme park

686
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,919
there

687
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:52,640
so now miller's rexall uh one of the

688
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,200
famous

689
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:56,080
uh spiritual supply shops is also there

690
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:57,039
as well

691
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,039
wow so now where is beale street

692
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,480
where there are some uh famous botanicas

693
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,159
uh that's in memphis yeah that's in

694
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:08,960
memphis tennessee

695
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,840
go ahead uh tony kale uh you know if

696
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,360
folks are interested in looking at the

697
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,120
history of memphis hoodoo

698
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,760
tony kale has that great book out um on

699
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,799
that and he also

700
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:21,200
uh is doing a lot of speaking

701
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,000
engagements

702
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,200
recently so folks should look at him

703
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,720
to see some more information on that

704
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,399
he's on social media

705
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:31,039
he's pretty active yes we can put some

706
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:31,840
of the

707
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,520
um links up on the shattered reality

708
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:36,640
podcast

709
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:40,000
website so that people can check out a

710
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:40,720
few of

711
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,600
the different books and also the website

712
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,919
of original products because i'm sure

713
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,240
everyone who lives in the new york area

714
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:49,760
will definitely want to

715
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,200
go up to webster avenue and

716
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:55,440
give them a visit because it's very very

717
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,559
memorable

718
00:28:02,950 --> 00:27:59,600
which brings me to something else

719
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:02,960
that i've noticed and that is

720
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:06,720
that except for a few places

721
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,760
maybe in major metropolises in the

722
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:11,520
united states

723
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,120
most of the magic stores grigri shops

724
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,240
botanicas whatever you wish to call them

725
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,279
are not per se tourist

726
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,600
stops although people you know maybe in

727
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,480
new orleans there are a few places down

728
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,440
in the bourbon street area that sort of

729
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:31,760
deal with

730
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,360
purportedly magic supplies

731
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:38,240
but by and large uh places even in new

732
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,880
york

733
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:41,200
there are botonicas and i you know that

734
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,559
original products

735
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,559
supply many of these botanicals but

736
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:45,760
they're not

737
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,039
um regularly speaking uh tourist

738
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:50,799
destinations nor

739
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:54,080
uh in other parts of the country however

740
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:55,360
when you go to

741
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:58,159
europe um the magic stores and they

742
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,640
aren't

743
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,120
called botanicas or grigri shops there

744
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,039
they might be sort of semi-new age

745
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,760
things or magic supplies or whatever

746
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,720
like that they

747
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,960
they sort of a little bit

748
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,559
tongue-in-cheek

749
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,960
whereas in the united states and in

750
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,720
mexico certainly and uh

751
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,880
south america the caribbean uh it's

752
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:19,520
taken very very seriously now

753
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:23,279
i have a dear friend who runs a

754
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:27,520
magic shop in gamlestan which is the

755
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:31,279
old town of stockholm

756
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,399
and it's called isis camara

757
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:37,360
camarer and i'm trying to pronounce the

758
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,399
second word

759
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,640
correctly and roughly speaking i believe

760
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,880
it means the chamber of isis

761
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:45,440
and i'm only roughly speaking because uh

762
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,240
i'm a

763
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:49,520
comma in german is a is a large room or

764
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:50,159
a whole

765
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,320
kind of a situation so isis come camara

766
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,120
is probably the hall of isis or

767
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:58,880
something of that nature

768
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,320
and that is um margareta hedden and her

769
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,440
sister

770
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,720
gertrude and they have us this small

771
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,640
shop and they're very serious about what

772
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:09,919
they do

773
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:13,200
margaretta is a an astrologer and a good

774
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,240
one

775
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,840
and she's quite serious about it but

776
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:17,440
because her shop

777
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:20,880
is in the old town of stockholm

778
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,919
uh there's it does have this second

779
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,480
second life as a sort of a tourist

780
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,000
destination

781
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,960
um and i noticed that to be the case in

782
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:31,840
in vienna

783
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:35,360
and in prague

784
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,799
and other places uh budapest that i've

785
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,080
looked for such things and

786
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,279
and uh i believe in amsterdam as well

787
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,440
do we have any words on that do we have

788
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:46,720
any uh

789
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:49,600
london too anybody want to speak to them

790
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,080
well

791
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,880
i i could tell you that uh probably our

792
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:53,760
largest

793
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:59,679
is located in the hague in the

794
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:00,880
netherlands

795
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,480
um and i once went to visit

796
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,679
and i was shocked to see

797
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:10,559
it was you know in a fairly busy

798
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,279
district

799
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:13,679
i wouldn't call it touristy um exactly

800
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,480
but

801
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,480
walked in there and it was uh an

802
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:18,320
enormous shop a lot of these places

803
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:19,039
they're

804
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,720
and a botanical so usually be like

805
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:26,640
beauty supplies

806
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:29,519
and a section for like botanical stuff

807
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,240
so i thought

808
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,840
this guy is buying all this stuff he

809
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,840
must have a huge place just with all my

810
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,240
stuff in it and when i walked in

811
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:39,279
the place was wall-to-wall

812
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,200
with wigs just selling wigs

813
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,120
and then he had a look he had a yet a

814
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,600
little cockamamie counter

815
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:50,320
in the back selling like my perfumes and

816
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,720
my

817
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,399
incense and candles and stuff i was

818
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,640
shocked couldn't believe it

819
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:57,039
but we do have we have a some customers

820
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:57,919
uh that we

821
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,240
send to that have stores in uh in norway

822
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,760
we have a customer in sweden

823
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:08,080
uh the uk obviously has a lot of stores

824
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:08,960
yeah but it's

825
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,159
uh germany it's very big in germany

826
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,279
um austria so it's uh

827
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,559
i would say these sort of things are

828
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,559
very popular in that you know in those

829
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,240
parts of europe

830
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,360
and are they are they uh importing um

831
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,760
santeria specifically or is it uh just

832
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,840
the some of the other spiritual supplies

833
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:29,840
that you guys have like the

834
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:33,120
um you know like the song magic and that

835
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,600
kind of thing

836
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,080
yeah no it's mostly you know uh like

837
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,159
candles and oils and perfumes and

838
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,679
colognes and incense

839
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,679
right i would say that's interesting

840
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,279
because that you know you have all these

841
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,960
regional variations and what you know

842
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,279
what folks are using for it

843
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,960
i was surprised in the you know the one

844
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:51,120
in atlanta um

845
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:54,799
i hadn't seen a lot of um

846
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,080
and you know they were there

847
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,720
they were wholesaling from somewhere it

848
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,559
looked like in illinois

849
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,799
um possibly evanston i'm not sure that

850
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,480
it was what was on the

851
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,080
most of the stuff that they had it was a

852
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,360
company in illinois yeah um

853
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,200
but uh it was surprising you know like

854
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,039
alligator heads and stuff

855
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,640
like that right which you know at the

856
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,679
botanicals up in chicago i hadn't seen a

857
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,279
lot of that kind of thing but down you

858
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,039
know in the south there was more

859
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,200
alligator oriented things and and that

860
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,640
kind of

861
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,720
uh paraphernalia which is a bit

862
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:30,480
different and also a little bit more of

863
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,039
the

864
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,080
uh kind of pop voodoo focus

865
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,120
um new orleans voodoo kind of stuff

866
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:39,039
yeah it's definitely regional for sure

867
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:40,399
you know if you go to the botanicals out

868
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:40,799
in los

869
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,919
angeles it's predominantly you know

870
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,120
that's where you really get into the

871
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:47,600
heavy you know mexican influence of the

872
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,000
santa muerte and sen simone and maximone

873
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,279
and whereas here in new york

874
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,440
uh you have some interest but it's

875
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,200
really more of the

876
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,600
you know the things that you know the

877
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,320
puerto rican and the dominican culture

878
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,320
they're saints they burn you know the

879
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:07,919
type of things that they offer

880
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:10,960
yeah that's a so like uh 21 divisions in

881
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:11,760
that kind of

882
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,800
right exactly well i just want to

883
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,000
mention to

884
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,839
jason and our listeners who don't

885
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,079
already know this that

886
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,599
david b metcalf who was with us also has

887
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:26,079
done a lot of research with the

888
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:27,440
prominent

889
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,440
santa muerte investigator

890
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,839
andrew chestnut who was also on the show

891
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:34,720
uh back

892
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,760
maybe two years ago so i i don't know if

893
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:39,119
you want to speak to that for a few

894
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,679
moments

895
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:42,560
uh david yeah i would i'm you know i'm

896
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,200
interested

897
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:45,599
um and one of the things that andrew and

898
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:46,639
i have researched i've

899
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,320
uh we've collaborated since about 2012

900
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,720
um after his first the first edition of

901
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,079
his book came out and

902
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,520
um it's been interesting to see the

903
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:59,359
uh where you know we're tracking it

904
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,839
online and we're tracking it

905
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,839
um andrew's done a lot of kind of

906
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,440
ethnography and that

907
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,520
but seeing the growth of the san amerita

908
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,640
tradition

909
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:11,200
uh and it's specifically in sales you

910
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,240
know a lot of the

911
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,960
um the botanicas and that there's there

912
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:15,760
was like this

913
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,280
transition from you know minimal to no

914
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,520
santa where to now you know some folks

915
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,599
are saying that they do about like 50

916
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,760
of their business which may be more of

917
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,960
the the la

918
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,960
and uh west coast kind of thing like

919
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,480
you're saying jason

920
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,560
um have you guys seen that in terms of

921
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,680
sales

922
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:36,320
uh you know is has there been a dramatic

923
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:37,440
increase in

924
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,680
uh you know requests for santa muerta

925
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,560
yeah for sure for sure i mean we only

926
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,160
just started carrying

927
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,920
for instance like candles for santa

928
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:50,560
marta we only just started carrying them

929
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:53,680
i would say within the last you know

930
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,280
say five to seven years right and now

931
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,200
you know most most saints and things we

932
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,040
offer for instance like

933
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,359
saint barbara will sell a saint barbara

934
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,880
candle in red

935
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:07,119
uh the santa marta candles we sell them

936
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,920
in white wall

937
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,680
white sell them in all black we sell

938
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:12,640
them in all red we sell a seven color

939
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,400
version so there's definitely more uh

940
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,160
you know more interest in that to spend

941
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,680
and also the statues

942
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,240
yeah yeah and it's great that you guys

943
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,480
are carrying the ones from mexico too

944
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,640
because there's a wide uh

945
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,880
there's there's a wide quality uh

946
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,839
differentiation

947
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,119
some of the stuff you can get out there

948
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,280
and i know a lot of the devotees in the

949
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:34,800
united states

950
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,599
um are always looking for the more

951
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,599
authentic ones from mexico and that you

952
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,040
know and i know there's some

953
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,280
there's some uh chinese-based ones that

954
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,599
are a little bit less

955
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,599
yeah no the ones from mexico like i

956
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:49,280
gotta tell you they're

957
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,400
they're not cheap but i almost cringe

958
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,000
when i sell one of the big ones because

959
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,280
i hate to see it go

960
00:37:00,550 --> 00:37:00,000
there they really are like pieces of art

961
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:00,560
yeah

962
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:03,760
friend um

963
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,119
who's actually beats he's down there

964
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,400
quite often and

965
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,079
he's always excited he's always sending

966
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,839
me pictures of the you know the

967
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,040
different types that they have because

968
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,720
that's the other thing too there's a

969
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,440
there's a wide variety of of items and

970
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,480
you know as the

971
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:21,359
the devotion has kind of expanded it's

972
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:22,079
really

973
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,359
you know because a lot of these things

974
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,680
are it's almost like a form of um

975
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,560
devotional language if that makes sense

976
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,599
you know so the different

977
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:31,200
statues obviously speak to different

978
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,720
needs the different colors speak to

979
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:34,000
different needs but

980
00:37:41,310 --> 00:37:37,520
because santa muerta has been

981
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,320
given the uh domain of being this

982
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:44,480
hyper-efficacious miracle worker every

983
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,800
do

984
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,560
you know every area of life that she

985
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,320
touches you get a different kind of

986
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,480
iconographic statue and different

987
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:52,160
candles and that so so fascinating to

988
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:52,960
see

989
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,160
that kind of expand um you know

990
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,320
and and also the way it's kind of it one

991
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:59,760
of the things that i've tried to point

992
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,400
out

993
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:03,599
is that it's it's been

994
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:06,800
the cross-cultural influences

995
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,920
from distributors like and

996
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:12,079
original products that has really

997
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,680
influenced the culture and i've been

998
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,160
surprised that a lot of the

999
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,200
scholarship has ignored that um

1000
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,920
i mean because the you guys provide a

1001
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,359
bridge between

1002
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,280
so many different you know magic

1003
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:27,280
cultures or you know folk

1004
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,320
folk magic cultures uh you know with the

1005
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,880
not only with the different translations

1006
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,400
of the books that you guys provide

1007
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,040
but um you know providing for different

1008
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,800
needs you know i'm sure that the people

1009
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:40,560
in europe who are getting the candles in

1010
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,440
that

1011
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,440
aren't doing it necessarily from a you

1012
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,880
know

1013
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,040
latin american perspective or even a

1014
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,200
southern american perspective

1015
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:51,760
you know or the uh spiritualist church

1016
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,400
uh

1017
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,200
candle tradition you know so it's really

1018
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,880
interesting to see how these

1019
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,800
i mean original products and other

1020
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,079
distributors like you have

1021
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,280
really fomented this conversation

1022
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,520
that scholars just don't see for some

1023
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,720
reason right

1024
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,560
all under that that umbrella of

1025
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:10,480
spirituality whatever that is to that

1026
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,440
person right

1027
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:13,119
yeah yeah exactly and i mean even the

1028
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:14,480
history i mean as you were going through

1029
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,200
the history of

1030
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,520
uh the original itself that's

1031
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:18,720
fascinating

1032
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:22,240
right you get sephardic jews providing a

1033
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,880
service

1034
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,920
to you know uh latino uh

1035
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:28,079
customer base in the bra i mean that's

1036
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:29,280
that's incredible what did

1037
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:33,040
what a beautiful uh just image of what

1038
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,079
things could be

1039
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:36,000
you know these kind of these kind of

1040
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:37,760
bridges and these kind of things

1041
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,880
the shared culture you know and then uh

1042
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,359
the idea that that's now in europe as

1043
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:45,200
well you know it's the the distribution

1044
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:46,079
in europe i mean that's

1045
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,440
that to me is it's just a really

1046
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,200
beautiful facet of this thing that

1047
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:52,000
kind of gets ignored you know great

1048
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,440
synergy there

1049
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:56,640
um i wanted to just ask about

1050
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:00,560
um in terms of the the latin um

1051
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,000
american culture do you have many

1052
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:07,200
uh items that would serve the

1053
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:10,319
spiritism community the um

1054
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,160
alan cardek spiritism community which is

1055
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,720
is still quite vibrant in latin america

1056
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:22,069
well we offer his books um which her

1057
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,800
heart gets

1058
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,359
harder and harder to come by a book on

1059
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,790
and we offer those in english and

1060
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:32,319
spanish

1061
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:36,079
um but in terms of yeah you guys

1062
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,839
uh i mean that you guys are kind of the

1063
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,680
source for that i think all my

1064
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:41,440
all the versions i have of that outside

1065
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,240
of maybe i think it's a book of mediums

1066
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,680
by

1067
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,440
the same folks who put out the focanelli

1068
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,720
book and i don't buy

1069
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,079
the books i can't remember what they're

1070
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,000
it was like inner light publications or

1071
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,520
something like that but all my cardex

1072
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:55,280
stuff that i have is from original

1073
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:56,240
products so

1074
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,839
yeah we have um

1075
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,200
i was just going to say we have a

1076
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,200
listenership uh who

1077
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,520
are involved with spiritism simply

1078
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:06,720
because we

1079
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:10,640
have on shattered reality not ignored

1080
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,280
um the say ufo sightings of

1081
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,079
south america we have had people come

1082
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,000
and speak about um

1083
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:23,119
spiritism as uh as being involved with

1084
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:23,599
the

1085
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,520
times and uh

1086
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:30,079
so we do have a listenership to a

1087
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,119
certain extent that

1088
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,160
is involved with the spiritism uh

1089
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,400
culture so it's interesting to know that

1090
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:38,720
you do publish those books and

1091
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,589
in terms of the of the santeria not

1092
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,520
santeria de santa muerte

1093
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,000
do you uh most of these statues that

1094
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,240
come up from mexico are they

1095
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,599
uh the the skeleton bride the bony lady

1096
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,640
is that what you

1097
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,839
basically are having in terms of the

1098
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,319
statues

1099
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,920
well kind of to expand on on that it's

1100
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,520
you know uh

1101
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,280
you've got the original form of just

1102
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:11,839
this the standing skeleton-like figure

1103
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,040
shrouded you know with the holding the

1104
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,880
the globe or sometimes it's a crystal

1105
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,720
ball in the hand

1106
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:21,119
um but now i've seen all sorts of other

1107
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:22,560
renditions where

1108
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:25,920
he's sitting in a in a big chair

1109
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:29,119
uh i've seen uh centum work days on on

1110
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,079
horseback

1111
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:32,640
yeah i think we just got a last batch

1112
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,440
where they were on

1113
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:36,720
a horse in all different colors so it's

1114
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,400
uh different forms did you ever

1115
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,000
have you ever seen the ones that have

1116
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,960
the the hot chilies on them

1117
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,880
i don't think so that was one i was

1118
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,240
surprised by it was uh

1119
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:51,680
it was a a black uh santa muerta and it

1120
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:52,240
had

1121
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:55,839
kind of like a

1122
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,800
a cloth cloak you know yeah but

1123
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,240
obviously to heat up your

1124
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,400
you know your your magic but it was that

1125
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,480
was an interesting kind of

1126
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,079
addition because i'd never seen it get

1127
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,640
so um

1128
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,720
i don't even know it's so descriptive

1129
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,240
and it's in its outfit

1130
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,000
you know yeah interesting

1131
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,200
so um where do you think this um

1132
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,760
this is going at this point um either

1133
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,560
one of you can

1134
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,960
uh i don't mean just santa muerte i mean

1135
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:26,640
you know the whole

1136
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:30,560
magic of supplies uh

1137
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:39,109
things that are used for potions for

1138
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:40,240
instance

1139
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,599
uh how do you see this expanding or

1140
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,040
contracting or

1141
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:48,240
what do you see happening well i could

1142
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:49,280
tell you

1143
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:52,880
uh i could see it i well i see it

1144
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:56,480
going mainstream um i see it every

1145
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,359
saturday in my

1146
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,480
in my store uh during the week

1147
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:03,200
i see a lot of regulars uh you know with

1148
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,680
people that

1149
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,440
come in and shop once a week twice a

1150
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,520
week um

1151
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,200
i'll go in on a saturday which is always

1152
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:10,720
our busiest day

1153
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,319
and i cannot recognize one customer

1154
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,480
that's in the store

1155
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:18,800
and they're people of all different

1156
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:20,839
backgrounds ethnicities

1157
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,839
ages and it's just shocking to me

1158
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,000
sometimes

1159
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,920
you know that i i don't recognize a

1160
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:29,119
single person

1161
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,920
so based on that i have to think that

1162
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,880
it's spreading you know and it's and

1163
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,400
people are starting to pick up on it

1164
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,839
especially you know in times like this

1165
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,079
where everything is so tumultuous

1166
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,760
yeah people are people are looking for

1167
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,119
answers they're looking for

1168
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,800
some sort of some sort of comfort

1169
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,800
which a lot of these products and just

1170
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,640
spirituality in general provides for

1171
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,280
them

1172
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:55,440
that's really interesting so these are

1173
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,319
uh are these

1174
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:58,800
uh like walk-ins or the people they're

1175
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,270
i'm sorry walking in off the street wow

1176
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:06,880
and maybe they're not obviously they're

1177
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,480
they're not you know bronx sites

1178
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,920
but they came from wherever they

1179
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,520
connecticut they came from wherever they

1180
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,359
came from and there and they came to

1181
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,520
to and now they come with their phone

1182
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,520
you know they tell me i saw this on your

1183
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,960
website you have

1184
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:22,319
you know one of these and they walk

1185
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,030
that's great that's technology yeah

1186
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,079
spirituality um

1187
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,119
in my own practice i i will divulge

1188
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,920
uh the type of thing that i might use

1189
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,400
aside from tarot cards which is obvious

1190
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,720
but um the type of thing that i might

1191
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,119
use with a client because

1192
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,200
i work a lot with intentions and

1193
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,640
intentionality and how

1194
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,440
intentions can work for people and it's

1195
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,359
often the case that people cannot

1196
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:56,400
focus at all on anything they their

1197
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,880
minds

1198
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,319
are they're not in control of their

1199
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,200
minds they don't know how to meditate

1200
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,000
but if you give somebody something to do

1201
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:05,760
with their left brain

1202
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,280
as they do in remote viewing like the

1203
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,839
hawaii method of remote viewing those of

1204
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,640
you who

1205
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,400
may have listened to this at other times

1206
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,800
should know what i'm speaking of but

1207
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:19,680
if you give somebody like a rote task to

1208
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:20,400
do

1209
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:24,079
brain the right brain becomes

1210
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,240
more free to focus so i often tell a

1211
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,520
client that

1212
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,440
in order to make their intention work

1213
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,079
we'll do a little quote-unquote spell

1214
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,960
now this is not a spell invoking demons

1215
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,560
or anything of that nature

1216
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,440
but it is just maybe like a a quiet

1217
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,880
prayer in which they

1218
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,599
uh have a a series of they have to light

1219
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,520
this incense and then they have to put

1220
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,800
this candle on

1221
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,640
and they have to watch the candle and

1222
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,200
they walk around three times repeating

1223
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,280
what it is they want to happen but

1224
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:57,200
giving a person

1225
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,119
certain things to do in their intention

1226
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,680
it allows them to put their mind in

1227
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,680
focus a little bit if they have a set of

1228
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:06,800
instructions

1229
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:09,839
which ends up being quite a bit like a

1230
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:10,400
spell

1231
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:16,960
you're summoning uh spirits

1232
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:20,160
uh entities and so forth which i don't

1233
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:20,480
uh

1234
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,599
i don't do with my clients for

1235
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:26,160
maybe obvious reasons you save that

1236
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,359
that's for the

1237
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,839
the fun your own fun yeah yeah yeah

1238
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,760
david that's from my friend

1239
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:33,040
how do you think i got you on the

1240
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,720
podcast

1241
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,720
[Laughter]

1242
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,480
jason you need more wards up it looks

1243
00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:39,839
like she's she

1244
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,430
took this she got me

1245
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,000
[Laughter]

1246
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,359
so yeah burned burned the jason candle

1247
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,359
and the david candle and called in the

1248
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,160
spirits and

1249
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:53,440
here they are that's right so um

1250
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,480
i think that we uh want to probably

1251
00:48:02,549 --> 00:47:59,520
start to wrap this up shortly um

1252
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,559
so do either of you have any anything

1253
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,680
that you want to say

1254
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,480
specifically about the the whole story

1255
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,640
here

1256
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,319
i want i would just like to say it's a

1257
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,920
it's an absolute honor to

1258
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,520
to have this opportunity to talk with

1259
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,280
you jason um

1260
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,839
this is honestly this is just it's

1261
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,000
really cool for me to be able to to

1262
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,680
hear the story you know right from your

1263
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,920
mouth and to kind of uh

1264
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,359
just have this conversation about

1265
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,880
original products which has been

1266
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,920
formative

1267
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:30,480
not only in my research but um yeah i

1268
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,440
enjoy your i

1269
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:34,240
enjoy your products as well so uh you

1270
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:34,880
know that's

1271
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,559
it's very cool and and also um

1272
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,880
the just the fact that you guys carry on

1273
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,760
a tradition

1274
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,480
that it's good to hear that that's going

1275
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:45,599
strong

1276
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,920
because um you know like i said the kind

1277
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,160
of cross-cultural opportunities that

1278
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,079
are are available through this kind of

1279
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:54,720
stuff uh it's really needed right now

1280
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,240
so to to know that you guys are

1281
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,160
seeing you know the business continue to

1282
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,000
seeing it kind of stretch out

1283
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,280
into our technological world now uh

1284
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,400
that's exciting to me

1285
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,880
so yeah well it was a pleasure talking

1286
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:09,599
to you as well

1287
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,319
um you know for me it's it's a pleasure

1288
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,160
to go to work every day

1289
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,440
i really enjoy um being surrounded by

1290
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,359
old people and talking to everybody and

1291
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,119
seeing everybody and

1292
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,359
trying to help people and getting to see

1293
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,359
you know what everybody's

1294
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,800
whatever what each person that comes

1295
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,480
into the store what they're looking for

1296
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,440
and

1297
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,359
uh you know the one thing i'm glad i

1298
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:33,440
could talk about all this here because

1299
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,480
uh

1300
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,319
i always tell people the one thing that

1301
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,160
i always fear like whenever i go out

1302
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:39,920
with my wife or my family

1303
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,119
is that dreaded question of so jason um

1304
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,230
and then i'm like oh boy yeah i know all

1305
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,599
about that question yeah that's

1306
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:53,760
like a 20-minute that's an automatic

1307
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,440
half-hour conversation with somebody

1308
00:50:00,870 --> 00:50:00,079
i right know that well that is true i

1309
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,880
can i

1310
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,720
i would imagine you know not only what

1311
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,240
do you do but then you've got a family

1312
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,160
history as well i mean the whole

1313
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,800
the whole shebang there yeah do you see

1314
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:10,960
that going on to the next generation

1315
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,599
either with your children or your nieces

1316
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,359
and nephews

1317
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,359
you know i i don't want to say i

1318
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:18,720
definitely do

1319
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,839
but um you know for me you know i wasn't

1320
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:23,359
sure i was going to go into the business

1321
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,640
with my dad

1322
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,680
um you know i graduated college and my

1323
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:29,200
dad was sort of around that time where

1324
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,800
he wanted to retire

1325
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,720
uh i started working i you know i'd

1326
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,880
always worked there as a kid growing up

1327
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,440
but uh i really can't imagine that

1328
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:39,040
there's anything i would rather

1329
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,079
do um you know it's

1330
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,119
very family friendly i you know

1331
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,839
i'm not chained to a computer 24 hours a

1332
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,559
day or

1333
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,599
you know on the phone all the time uh

1334
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,760
so like i said lifestyle wise i can't

1335
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:55,040
really imagine a better

1336
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,960
better setup but uh well yeah i would

1337
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,400
definitely see it going on

1338
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,880
it sounds it sounds just great and just

1339
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,559
just for the record i

1340
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,559
want you to know that question that is

1341
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,000
asked what so what do you do for a

1342
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,440
living i'm often

1343
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,640
i'm often a private consultant for life

1344
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:14,160
events

1345
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,160
that shuts people right that's great

1346
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,319
i tell people i'm a lawyer and that

1347
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:22,000
usually ends the conversation right

1348
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:22,960
there

1349
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:26,400
david you have an answer to that

1350
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,200
question

1351
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,040
i drag him right into it yeah i get him

1352
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,480
right in there yeah

1353
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,200
depending on the situation i i got a

1354
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:35,280
little bit hesitant when i moved to uh

1355
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:38,960
georgia um but i've i don't know i've

1356
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,440
you know it's

1357
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:41,200
it's an opportunity to talk about weird

1358
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,640
stuff and in a way

1359
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,040
if i go too deep into it then that also

1360
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:46,640
is its own

1361
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,520
you know pushback so i just i give them

1362
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,880
the full the full tilt

1363
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,119
you go the full monty okay yeah the

1364
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,880
whole deal they get the they get all of

1365
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:55,839
it

1366
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,680
to you know set the stage right

1367
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:02,000
yeah that that doesn't scare the living

1368
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,829
well at least they're not they're not

1369
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,920
going to be bullying you

1370
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,920
yeah exactly you know at the most i've

1371
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,200
gotten

1372
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:15,200
folks who want to give me an exorcism or

1373
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,400
something which

1374
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,319
you can never you know never go wrong

1375
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:20,800
with an extra exorcism

1376
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,000
absolutely absolutely a clearing a real

1377
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:25,680
clearing going on there

1378
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:30,000
um yeah so um well i hope that both of

1379
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,400
you

1380
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:33,359
might come on a different time and maybe

1381
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,000
we can

1382
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,520
discuss some more some more

1383
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,760
subjects more topics in this general

1384
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,720
area

1385
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,280
but i think it's time for shattered

1386
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,640
reality to say

1387
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,680
uh goodbye now but we're we're going to

1388
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,839
sign off with you two guys and uh sort

1389
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,480
of talk about what's coming up next

1390
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,800
great thank you so much for being our

1391
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:55,760
guests yes

1392
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:00,800
thank you so much thank you bye now

1393
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,000
well that's another round

1394
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,119
of shattered reality now last time

1395
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,000
we we had on rupert sheldrake and i uh

1396
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:12,400
mistakenly said that it was

1397
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:15,680
number 82 when it was really 81 so now

1398
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,160
we

1399
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:19,680
this is truly number 82 of our podcasts

1400
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,040
and um if everything goes right uh

1401
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:25,599
next time we're going to have on a a

1402
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:28,720
repeat guest a very nice gentleman

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to talk about his new book a is for

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adamski and that would be mr greg bishop

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and perhaps his co-author might be on a

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gentleman named adam go

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rightly as well we haven't gotten in

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contact with

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mr go rightly yet but

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i want to thank you all for listening to

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shattered reality

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and hopefully you will like shattered

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reality podcast

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on facebook on youtube

1415
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and um also uh make some comments

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in our on our blogs which

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shutteredrealitypodcast.wordpress.com

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and shatteredrealitypodcast.com we are

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on stitcher

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and on itunes as well as

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youtube uh so thank you very much for

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the likes

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uh we've been getting a lot of new

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listeners on um

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on youtube and thank you for that and uh

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the comments there

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so once again it's time for me to say

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reality